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Wade Caves on Timing Methods in Horary Astrology

Q. Let’s talk about horary astrology, one of your niche areas. How do you bridge the traditional and modern horary viewpoints and techniques, or do you find yourself veering towards one or the other?

Personally I only acknowledge the seven visible planets as sign rulers, but that isn’t because I discount the outer planets. I actually think they have a much larger, much more important role to play than the rather mundane task of signifying people and things (which is why sign rulers do). I have the outer planets in all my charts, and find them relevant when within 5º of a main significator, angle or relevant house cusp. I don’t personally consider myself a traditional astrologer — like everyone before me, I am a contemporary astrologer, moderating the information in front of me with the culture and times in which I live, to inform my practice.

Q. What types of questions can we hope to get answers for when using the horary chart for timing?

There are a lot of things that theoretically can be timed — the recovery of a missing object, the announcement that you got the job etc. — but very often timing isn’t the central issue connected to the client’s dilemma or problem. For instance, I had a client come to me wanting to know when they’d find a new job, but at her core she was holding onto a great deal of anger towards her boss. The chart led me to believe that this was more of an interpersonal issue borne from core personality characteristics than mere situational misfortune, and if the anger issues weren’t resolved, she’d carry that into the next job, and the next job, until she worked through these problems.

It ended up being a great consultation, because we got to work through those problems, and she took it head on. The next time I saw her she said she’d taken the initiative to repair that relationship with her boss, her boss was quite impressed and within a few months she was promoted, taking on a larger role within her organisation and much happier with her work relationships. I went back to the chart and did find that the timing indications in the chart fit, but we wouldn’t have gotten there if we hadn’t put the energy into conflict resolution first.

To nail down the date, we take the symbolic measurement of time and take that unit forward in our ephemeris, and find a real-time connection between significators ~ Wade Caves

Wade Caves, Astrologer
Wade Caves, is an astrological consultant, speaker and educator specialising in horary, electional and classical astrological technique, but well versed in traditional and modern methods. Certified at the Mayo School of Astrology in London and the STA, Wade now delivers the Practitioner’s Level Horary Course. He is the editor and annotator of the 300th anniversary edition of William Lilly’s History of His Life & Times (Rubedo Press, 2015) ~ www.wadecaves.com
Welcome! You recently moved to the United Kingdom from the US. How has the transition been going for you?
It’s been a wonderful year. Part of what prompted my move to the UK is the number of clients I’ve had in the UK and Europe. Of course I do have a fair deal of clients based in the States, and it’s a little tougher now to connect with them due to the time difference, but I’ve been quite lucky in terms of making great connections in Europe since the move.
What are some of the main differences that you’ve noticed between the astrology worlds of the US and the UK?
I think the cultural differences between the two nations carries into astrology quite visibly. The US is a relatively new country and celebrates the frontier spirit. We see a lot of astrologers in the US carving out entirely new areas of astrology, new fields of research and inquiry, and there’s a real sense of optimism about the future development of the art. I certainly think that’s present in the UK, but there’s a much better connection to shared history in Europe.
Astrologers are much more interested here in their heritage, the astrologers that came before them and the techniques they taught and put forward. It’s a fascinating study, where the emphases are placed and why, and it’s a never-ending source of inspiration for me to find that people around me now are asking questions I might not have thought to ask — who knew who, how astrology was growing, changing and reshaping in recent centuries — just fascinating!

Q. In terms of symbolic timing in the horary chart – when do we stick with say using 3 units of time (days, weeks, months) and working out what type of unit that is, or going further into using the ephemeris to ascertain when an aspect will perfect? And will you get more specific answers this way?

An ephemeris is essential — these things must come together at the same time. We take symbolic measurements from the chart — perhaps 3 units of time because of some promising aspect that is 3º away — but to know if this means days, weeks, months we need to fold in a real time transit that happens 3 weeks from now, 3 months, 3 years, etc., which reunites the horary significators (particularly the planets who were 3º separated, as well as the horary’s ascendant degree and Moon placement. With the slower moving planets — Saturn, Jupiter, Mars — their ingress into new signs can be tremendously powerful in timing anyway, so I weight that heavily!

Timing in Astrology using the Ephemeris

Q. Can you give us an example of how you would approach using an ephemeris to assess timing in the chart using the horary significators?

I judged a relationship horary, ‘Will we reunite, and when?’ on 28 November 2015, 12:51pm PST, San Francisco, CA (USA). My client was signified by Jupiter, their intended was shown by Mercury. Leaving aside all the interpretative details and the trouble indicated in the chart, the two significators were 8º apart, applying to a mutually received square, and the Moon was 6º away from a sextile to Jupiter. This was an indication to me that my client would hear back from this other person, and soon. To judge when, I looked for a uniting between symbolic and real-time timing. Six days later (connecting to the 6º separating the Moon and Jupiter), on December 4, Mercury and Jupiter perfected their square, and the Moon came into conjunction with Jupiter at 21º Virgo. So I was confident that my client would be reunited with their lover on the 4th of December, and sure enough, that’s what happened.

Q. How important is planetary motion in timing?

Planetary motion is everything, and deserves to be built into interpretation. We should care when planets are swift in motion but slowing, or when a planet is stationing, or perhaps reaching their peak speed as they approach the conjunction with the Sun whilst direct. These considerations carry such deep meaning — don’t be afraid to dive in and incorporate thoughts on motion and speed as you interpret!

The majority believes that everything hard to comprehend must be very profound. This is incorrect. What is hard to understand is what is immature, unclear and often false. The highest wisdom is simple and passes through the brain directly into the heart  ~ Viktor Schauberger

STA Practitioner’s Level Horary Course

London, April 5 – 7 & April 13 – 14, 2019

Wade Caves will be teaching a course on horary astrology next April. The course material, originated by Deborah Houlding, explores the methodology, theory, history and practical application of horary technique.

Find the syllabus and all the course information here

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